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Jobs Report - Damn Lies and Statistics

Thursday evening I noticed something very interesting going on within the "financial media".  All of a sudden the evening before Friday's big jobs report many of the media outlets started to run stories about how great the jobs report on Friday was going to be, and how it was clearly going to show our economy had turned the corner.  Several financial analysts (and I use the term analysts lightly) suddenly downgraded their predictions for job losses to around 250k from much higher numbers and CNBC even took the effort of running a 1/2 hour special on how great the numbers were going to be.

Pumping up impending economic numbers in the financial media is not uncommon but this went FAR beyond anything I'd ever seen before.  It was pretty clear there was some type of coordinated leak.  The media outlets would have not stuck their necks out to the degree they did the evening before the numbers came out if they weren't sure of the outcome.  It's not uncommon for gov. administrations to influence the media this way, by leaking reports to create positive press but this tactic seems is being taken to an extreme level lately.

Sure enough Friday morning the jobs report came and we only had 247k job losses a huge improvement from previous months, <sarcasm>clearly a sign the recession is nearing it's end</sarcasm>.  Simply the that fact you saw unemployment rates decline at the same time you had 200k job losses should be a tip off that unemployment statistics are not all that they are cracked up to be.  In fact when you look inside the internals of the report you see a lot of interesting number fudging to make the headline number look much better than it should have been.  The report on the whole was certainly not what I would label as proof that our economy is on the mend.

One thing that pops out was the insanely huge number (422k) of people that "exited the workforce" in July. Due to the method unemployment statistics are calculated, they don't count.  One reason for this is many of the layoffs, particularly at large unionized companies happen through "early retirement" programs and thus don't effect the unemployment stats in the same way.  The other is as people use up their unemployment benefits without finding a job they drop off the reporting.  From the standpoint of economic health, it's still less people working, earning less money to spend and paying less taxes.  In fact if the US has a shrinking workforce at the same time our population is still expanding that is really bad news economically.

There were also some other one time items that added a positive influenced the jobs report more positively such as a large number of the jobs created were census workers, who will only be on the job for a couple months.  The birth-death model a model that's supposed to account for creation of jobs via new companies that otherwise don't show up in the statistics also showed by far and away the largest job creation during a July in history.  Never mind this is a completely ficticious number that just comes out of a computer model, not from any actual data.  These numbers get revised at the end of the year based off real tax withholding data.  So far tax withholding data from the first six months of the year suggests we had 500k-1m more job losses than the computer models say.

There seems to be a huge and coordinated initiative to spin and scew any economic data being presented right now, to increase public confidence.  It's really starting to bother me, I don't like being lied to or manipulated.  True, this happens all the time, but to the degree it's occuring right now makes me think there maybe a lot more fear in the gov. about our economic situation than they are letting on.

26 commentsMatt Heaton • August 08 2009 06:35PM

Cap and Trade: Yet Another Scam

I'm a couple weeks behind this one, as all the media focus lately has been on the health care bill.  I've had several interesting discussions around cap and trade lately that inspired me to put my thoughts down into a blog post.

Disclaimer

I consider myself a fairly environmentally conscious person, I do believe based on data and observations human activity is creating a huge and very negative impact on the global climate.  I'm extremely worried about the this planet over the next several decades.  To me the health of this planet overrides any economic impacts of decisions, but at the same time I believe doing what is right for the planet can be done in ways that is also very economically beneficial in the long run.  I'm not writing this post to debate these points...

Cap and Trade is a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing

The idea behind the bill sounds fine based on the highest level talking points, incentivize investment in alternative energy and at the same time disincentivize the polluters.  Once you look under the hood though, the best phrase I can use to describe it, is "financial scam".

What got me looking at, and thinking about the impacts of the cap and trade bill was when I noticed the biggest supporters throwing the most lobbyists and money behind it was not the alternative energy industry but the Wall Street investment banks.  Why?

It comes down to the whole "trade" part of the bill where carbon credits received can be traded/sold to carbon producers.  It's been estimated that this could create the largest derivatives market, larger than the CDS's (credit default swaps).  These credits would trade on an exchange (partially owned by Goldman Sachs) and would be a multi-billion dollar windfall for the investment banks. 

Since the number of carbon credits available is fixed, and is reduced each year this creates a made in heaven market for large traders and speculators (hedge funds, investment banks).  The carbon bubble will become the new credit bubble, as speculators suck productive money from the system.

Destructive Impacts on the Alternative Energy Industry

I've got a lot of friends involved in the alternative energy industry who believe this bill is a windfall for the industry and will spark the next big revolution in alternative industry.  Be careful what you wish for, the long term impact on the industry may in fact be very destructive.

It's analogous to what happened with the housing market and credit bubble in 02-06 with all these new fangled mortgage products, CDO's, CDS'.   Everybody touted these products as being great for the housing industry as they made housing more "affordable" and accessible to the masses.  We now realize the truly destructive nature of these products, which incidentally were created by the same Wall Street banks behind the cap and trade bill.

Particularly as the price of carbon credits in driven up by speculators, it will become extremely profitable for companies producing them.  The catch is the total number of credits is limited and there really isn't a direct tie between a technology being beneficial long-term, and producing carbon credits.  You will see hundreds of companies pop up, simply built to capture huge profits from carbon credits, with technologies that otherwise would not make any sense. 

In much the same way as imprudent lenders pitching alternative mortgage products forced prudent lenders out of the mortgage business, viable alternative energy technologies will be squeezed.  Investment will be redirected from the productive to the speculative, with very negative consequences.  Of course this bill is practically designed to create a "carbon bubble", who's popping in a few years, will sow yet another round of economic destruction laying waste to a whole industry while the pig men walk away with their sacks of money.

70 commentsMatt Heaton • July 28 2009 02:48PM

The case against inflation

My in my last blog post a mid-year update to my 2009 market and economic predictions I got multiple comments about the economic threat of inflation or even hyper-inflation rearing it's ugly head.

"It will be interesting to see how those TARP funds play out and what the aftermath will be.  My guess will be massive inflation.... think about it this way."

"One thing is for certain. If inflation rears its ugly head, interest rates will increase to combat that."

"Still have you noticed how no one is talking about the inflation rate?   We know that in order to spend the "trillions" that more money will have to be printed."

This also seems to be the common thread in the media and much of the financial world, everybody is expecting or thinks we are currently experiencing a huge, hidden inflation.  I'm going to lay out the case, why I not only don't any evidence of it, I expect the opposite, a very deflationary outcome, over the next several years.

Truth be told the central banks around the world, including our FED, are desparately trying to return to an inflationary environment.  There is nothing they fear more than deflation, but their efforts to reignite the inflationary engine can only be described as an epic failure.

We already had the massive inflation through credit expansion

For about a 5 year period between 2002-2007 and maybe a little bit before the US went through a massively inflationary period, not represented by the standard government inflation or money supply numbers. It was caused by what many sometimes refer to as the "shadow banking" system (because it doesn't show up in the numbers) that drove massive credit expansion.

Not that it was exactly very hidden.  It drove speculative bubbles all around us, both residential and commercial real estate, commodities, corporate debt fueling leveraged buy outs and equities.  If you believed the CPI numbers published you saw inflation rates of around 2-3% during this period.  Several economists have calculated the real inflation rate was actually somewhere between 10-15% annually during this period.  This lead to both real interest rates that were very negative, and also a very negative real wage growth. 

The last year and a half we've seen the exact opposite, a massive credit contraction, driving deflation across almost all asset classes.  Just as the government numbers as an artifact of what they measure severelly understated the inflationary period they are massively understating the amount of deflation that is ocurring.  Look around at real estate, stocks, bonds, commodities.  Do you see rising or falling prices over the last two years?

Credit destruction is MANY times larger than credit creation

The most common inflationary argument is the FED and other central banks are printing trllions, upon trillions of dollars that are being pumping into the system.  While there has been a couple trillion in money put into the system, the actual amount used to monitize debt through quantitative easying is only around a trillion or less.  Now counter balance a trillion vs. over $50 trillion in global wealth destruction in 2008 alone.  What's the bigger number?  To put in bluntly the FED and other central banks are merely pissing into the wind with their efforts.

The money isn't moving

Now here is the real crux of the problem for central banks why money supply creation and stimulus are not having their intended inflationary effect.  While the technical definition of inflation is size of the money supply, all the inflationary effects people worry about are instead driven by the velocity of money.  A small amount of money moving very fast through an economy creates more inflationary effects than a large amount of money sitting on a balance sheet plugging holes.

In fact the velocity of money has completely collapsed as it's being used to pay down and service debts or cover losses.  The last time the velocity of money was this slow, was heading into the Great Depression.  Below is a chart of MZM the broadest measure of monetary velocity.

The hyperinflationary setup

For those people worried about imminent hyper-inflation, it might be worth looking historically at characteristics of hyper-inflationary collapses.  There have been dozens of well documented ones throughout history, some of the ones that come of most peoples minds first are the Weimer Republic in 1920's Germany and recently in Zimbabwe.

Hyperinflation almost always occurs following a severe deflationary collapse.  While I've made my case we are experiencing deflation right now, we are no where near what would be considered a collapse, yet.  It also ocurrs in a countries that base purchasing power on a stable foreign currency.  In other words if you have the world reserve currency like the US dollar, it is near impossible to get hyperinflation.  It's much more likely you see hyperinflation in foreign countries that attempt to peg their currencies to the US dollar, which would result in a relative strengthening of the dollar. 

I could see us, creating a setup for hyperinflation if the dollar looses reserve currency status, and we experience a deflationary collapse, but it would take us several years to get there.

Interest rates rising without inflation

Ok, so I've gone on record saying I expect rising interest rates and possibly a crash in the US Treasury market within the next year.  If rates are rising doesn't that imply inflation?  Well not exactly...

Inflationary expectations are only one component of what sets interest rates, the other major one is risk of default.  The higher the risk of default the higher rates must go.  It's this rising risk of default that I expect to significantly push up rates not inflation.  In fact the rising rates may have a highly deflationary impact as it will further choke off credit, stalling economic recovery.

More charts, "Dude, where's my inflation?"

 

 

 

33 commentsMatt Heaton • July 04 2009 03:19PM

Mid-Year Update - 2009 Market and Economic Predictions

We are now officially half way through the year so it's time for me to do an update to my 2009 market and economic predictions, also known as, Matt is being a buzz-kill again.  The quick scorecard is, four have already occured, four I'm still predicting will happen, one I still think will occur but probably not this year and one is DOA.

The media has become fairly delirious from smoking few too many of those "green shoots" as of late along with 90% of economists calling for the recession to end shortly.  It should be noted that a similar number of economists were confident we'd avoid a recession in the first place. They are latching onto month to month fluctuations in data claiming the economic recovery is upon us, while almost all trending and forward looking data is continuing to paint a fairly pessimistic outlook. 

Another main factor in my continued pessimistic outlook is the attempt by those in charge to play confidence games instead of solving problems.  If we believe things are getting better, they will, right?  Confidence without the foundation to support it, is not a very good economic base to build from.

1. The "Credit Crisis" morphs into much wider economic crisis

Ok, I think this one is playing out as we've moved from people claiming we're just having financial system and housing issues to seeing dramatic drops in employment and even more dramatic drops in tax revenues (corporate, income, sales).  While the official government reported unemployment rate is now up to 9.6% the broader unemployment measure like U6 has now skyrocketed to 16.4% the highest since the 70's. 

The data shows job losses are actually accelerating, not decelerating.  With the unbelievably dramatic drops across the board in tax revenues, we are just beginning very extensive layoffs from the nations largest employer, the local, state and federal governments.  We also have not seen the layoffs happening in the automotive industry show up in the official numbers yet.

2. The recession gets an upgrade

While I didn't expect an official pronouncement this year my prediction is that we'd meet the criteria for a depression not just a recession, which is defined by more than a 10% total loss in GDP.  I still think this is going to happen, and in fact I think the forward looking data makes this almost a lock to happen.  Though, this quarters GDP coming in flat or even just slightly positive wouldn't surprise me.

For some great visuals on how bad the economic trends really are check out this post on Nate's Economic Blog.

http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/04/economic-cliff-diving-by-charts.html

3. Pension funds, the biggest non-story of 2008 becomes THE STORY of 2009

Ok, I'll give myself about 1/3 of a point for this one.  The story is huge, it's just getting almost no play in the main stream media.  Many of the largest pension funds in the country are in deep trouble shifting into riskier and riskier investment strategies to make up shortfalls.  For example CALPERS the largest pension fund in the country shifting large portions of their assets to real estate right at the top of the bubble and then stocks right at the top.  They are in a massive hole, and have stated they are relying on being able to borrow from the state of California to fill the massive hole.  Yes, the state who tomorrow will start issuing IOU's in lieu of checks to pay bills.

Not to be outdone by California, PBGC (Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation) which insures pension funds including those at GM and Chrysler followed suit.  Why are the pension funds pursuing such a risky strategy that would once have been looked upon as insanity? 

He said the previous strategy of relying mostly on bonds would never garner enough money to eliminate the agency's deficit. "The prior policy virtually guaranteed that some day a multibillion-dollar bailout would be required from Congress,"  Boston Globe article on PBGC

As they say, when in a hole, keep digging, or something like that...

4. House prices continue to fall, but in most regions not as fast

Not much to add here, the Case-Schiller data showed a 19% year over year price drop first quarter, with declines in all 20 major markets they track.  Anecdotal the declines in many markets appear to be slowing but historically in housing downturns the steepest declines occur in the first 2 years, where the average overall length of price declines in 5-7 years.  There's also still a huge backlog of foreclosures sitting on bank balance sheets which have been held back from the market.  This will keep inventories in most markets elevated for some time and keep the downward pressure on prices.

Update: Just saw the updated Case Schiller data released today, basically shows what I expected.  Still declining across the board but at a much slower pace.

5. The stock market is far from seeing a long term bottom

My prediction was that we'd see the November lows of 738 on the S&P500 broken this year, and we saw that happen in the first quarter of this year ominously putting in a low at 666 on the S&P 500.  Despite a several month, 35% straight up rally since then I don't believe we've seen the lows for this bear market, and see a high probability of the S&P500 going under 500 later this year.  Simply put we are still in a deleveraging phase and we've seen a massive drop in corporate profits making the stock market extremely overvalued at it's current level by almost all metrics.  These profits by and large were driven by the credit bubble, particularly in financials and unless we are able to blow another massive bubble they are not returning, like some are placing bets on.

 

6. Where does the bailout money come from when it's time to pay up?

We'll have to see, they just started issuing the debt a couple weeks ago, and we're now issuing as much treasury debt per week as we were per year less than a decade ago.  This is at the same time the major foreign buyers are slowly inching their way to the door, buying shorter and shorter duration debt, as the FED tries to hold back the flames through quantitative easing.

7. A crash in the US Treasury market?

This was the prediction I said I was the most hazy on last year, and now I think it's inevitable due to the insane government spending we've seen coupled with the gigantic collapse in tax revenue.  The FED has been pulling every trick in the book trying to surpress rates and support the treasury market through quantative easing.  History shows these types of efforts are simply fingers in the proverbial dike that inevitably bursts.  If the treasury market does crash you'll see double digit interest rates on mortgages within a few months.

On a related note, the consensus of late seems to be for rising interest rates but due to (hyper)inflation.  I simply don't see the case, all of the data points to massive deflation.  Oh, the FED's monetizing debt and printing.  The problem is the deflationary pressures and wealth destruction is dozens of times larger.  Also, the FED pumping money is only inflationary if the money moves, as inflation really is the velocity of money not the size of the money supply.  A small amount of money moving very fast through an economy is more inflationary than a large amount of money that sits on a banks balance sheet plugging holes.  The fact it's being used to plug holes that are not magically going away, is exactly why I don't see it suddenly becoming inflationary.

8. GM files for bankruptcy despite the automaker bailout

My prediction was that both GM and Chrysler would file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy this year despite their bailout at the end of 2008 with the goverment providing massive DIP (debtor in possession financing).  Check...

9. Regional bank failures and consolidation accelerate

We're up about 50 regional bank failures this year compared to 25 all of last year.  Technically I guess this counts as acceleration but it's still well below the hundreds I was expecting.  It has nothing to do the increased stability in the banking system and more to do with the FDIC and OTS not doing their job to protect depositors and tax payers. 

A good example of this is Bank United a large regional bank in Florida that collapsed about two months ago, at an estimated cost of about $10 Billion.  This bank was on my list of dead men walking back in April of 2007, due to the how badly their loan portfolio had already depreciated.  Two years ago it was clear from their balance sheet without pulling accounting tricks they were insolvent.  Every Friday for nearly two years I was shocked when I didn't see an announcement his bank had been seized due to how far gone it was.  Had it been seized two years ago it's likely there would have been very little, if any cost to the FDIC and US taxpayers, instead it cost us $10 billion. 

Then two weeks ago the head of the OTS resigned after it turned out he had ordered the Bank United to falsify financial statements to cover up their insolvency.  Yes, the top banking regulator was ordering banks to fudge their financials so they would appear solvent and would not be seized.  Bank United is not an isolated case, not by a long shot.  In fact, 2 other high ups at the OTS resigned or were fired in the last year for pulling similar stunts with other banks.  There is a organized effort to avoid failures at all costs by covering up the problems and hoping they go away.  This just makes the ultimate failure many times worse.  

The government banking "stress tests" meant to prove to the public and investors how sound are banking system was a similar sham.  We're already well past the loan default rates used in their most stressful scenarios, banks were asked to provide the valuations for complex securities like CDO's, and provided values many times above current market prices.  Commercial real estate, who's impact on bank balance sheets is likely to be worse than residential mortgages, showed almost no losses in the stress test numbers.  

Suffice to say, I expect the next "unexpected" banking crisis to rear it's head this fall at the latest and this time I'm not sure if there's the will political will to throw a few hundred billion more at it.

10. A revolt against corruption

Grrrrrrrr...  Where's that change Mr. Obama...  Must stop writing here or I'll launch into a rant and this post will be 20 pages before I know it...

42 commentsMatt Heaton • July 01 2009 01:48PM

My new startup Timu officially launches

Yesterday was a big day for me, after 8 months of planning and product development work finally launched my new startup, Timu.  Timu gave me a chance to apply many of the lessons learned with designing and building ActiveRain to another market, amateur sports.

It's a social networking platform specifically built to solve the communications problems encountered by athletes, sports teams and their fans.  Online social networking is a natural way to solve many of these problems. Yet, existing social networks provide disjointed solutions that do not handle sports specific features, such as player rosters, game results and statistics. At the same time existing sports web site offerings provide little interactivity and user engagement.

                                                    

Individual athletes can setup an profile on Timu in minutes.  Profiles can be customized with information about the sports they participate in, teams they play on, and their competitive highlights.  Photos, videos can be uploaded, and various “widgets” can be added or modified. These profiles serve as one center of communication within Timu. 

Coaches, players, or parents can create a team center for your team on Timu.  Team centers provide many features like team news, schedules, player rosters, photos, game results, statistics, statistics and a wide range of commmunication tools.  All of the people associated with the team can be invited to become members of the team center, which can then function as a hub for team communications.

A few examples of team centers: http://bellevueblaze.timu.com http://dreadsox.timu.com http://baseball.timu.com

Currently Timu supports about 30 different sports ranging from baseball and soccer to unicycling.  Each of these sports has it’s own section or hub on Timu including photos, videos, game results and discussions.  Timu members can participate in the conversation at these hubs about their sport.  As Timu grows we will be providing the ability to view these hubs by region, subsection of a sport, or even by sporting venue.

Create a Sports Profile

Setup your Team on Timu

45 commentsMatt Heaton • June 11 2009 03:03PM

Timu goes beta

Over the last several months I left a couple of semi cryptic posts Timu, the startup company that I left ActiveRain back in the fall to found.  Obviously from the logo I posted people were able to correctly guess what industry it was in, sports.  This inspired some guessing around ActiveRain about how exactly Timu was related to sports and what if anything Timu stood for. 

After several months of development work, we finally opened Timu up this week in a private beta test.  Unlike how so many web 2.0 companies slap a beta sticker on a product (cough, Google) and launch it like that this is an actual beta test with a small group of users to work out the kinks before a real launch in the not so distant future.

       

So what is Timu?

While Timu isn't yet open to the public, we are finally letting the cat out of the bag about what Timu is.  Timu is a communication and social networking platform for sports teams.  Whether it's little league, high school or adult rec. leagues Timu allows teams to take advantage of social networking concepts to help teams to schedule, coordinate, organize and share. 

I've played on and still play on several sports teams, and team communication away from the game has always been a problem.  How do you know when practices are, who's going to make it to games, is the game rained out?  These are some of the core problems that Timu will help to solve.

We're initially launching the platform for baseball and softball teams but will be adding in all the other major sports over the next year.

And what does it stand for?

I've seen plenty of guess about with Timu actually stands for, a couple of my favorites have been "Tetherball in my utopia", and "Teams in Motion United".  Sorry to ruin the guessing, but Timu isn't an acronym for anything, but it does have a relevant meaning.  Timu means "Team" in Swahili, plus it was a short, easy to remember and acquirable domain name :)

Looking for some beta testers

While Timu is not yet open to the public, we are still looking for a few additional beta test teams.  If you play on, organize or coach a baseball/softball team and would like to participate and help shape the direction of a really cool application, let us know.

 

42 commentsMatt Heaton • March 06 2009 05:30PM

And it's name is Timu

About two months ago I announced my departure from ActiveRain full-time to found a yet to be announced start-up outside of the real estate industry.  I've been pretty silent around here, for a little bit but have been hard at work on the new venture.  While I'm still keeping most of the details under wraps, but I think it should be pretty obvious from the logo what industry it's in :

23 commentsMatt Heaton • December 09 2008 11:10PM

Look At The Dollar Rocket

One of my 10 predictions at the start of the year was despite the forecasts of most, was the US dollar was going to strengthen against foreign currencies during the year.  Well in the last couple weeks the dollar has been on an absolutely impressive tear against almost every currency in the world.  The ferocity of this move has simply been amazing, with it moving almost nearly 3% against a basket of currencies in just the last 24 hours.  Think of it this way, your dollar in your pocket just got 3% more valuable in the last day, even if it may not seem like it to you.

Basically we're seeing signs of mass liquidations of risky assets (stocks, bonds, commodities, derivatives) around the world and the resulting money is flowing into US dollars, strengthening the dollar against other currencies.  While our banking/financial system has it's problems the simple fact of the matter is it's in better shape than many around the world.

The speed at which this move is occurring will likely generate significant effects (problems), but it's very tough to predict in what form they might be.  One of the many things that's got my radar up in the last couple days, trying to determine what's likely to happen.

16 commentsMatt Heaton • October 21 2008 11:24PM

Credit Market Update - A False Recovery???

It's now been just over a week since the FED, treasury and central banks around the world made some massive interventions to try and stabilize the credit markets.  My prediction is that these interventions would do very little to unlock the credit markets the main issue is trust, not liquidity.  I've been watching many different indicators very closely for signs of recovery over the last week.

One of the main indicators of health in the credit markets is call the TED Spread.  I've discussed it many times on this blog but it's basically the spread between three month treasuries and three month LIBOR rates.  The higher the spread, the more stress in the system.  Historically it averages 30 basis points, over 200 is signs of a crisis, and it had reached 454 basis points before the interventions.  In the week or so since it's collapsed back to 266 basis points.  While still in critical condition this is appears to be a very good sign, and the financial media have been crowing about the credit markets being on their way to normalization.

Why it might be a false signal?

Something didn't smell right to me about the recovery and today's Treasury auction have shed some light on where the smell was coming from.  Most of the recovery in the TED spread has been in the yield of short term treasuries increasing not LIBOR rates coming down (though they have come down substantially).  The increase of treasury yields would typically indicate people are leaving their bunkers and starting to move their money back into riskier assets, BUT...  The treasury auction demonstrated the yield increase is not coming from the demand side, but the supply side.  Yields are increasing on short term treasuries not because people are moving out of bunkers but the US Treasury is absolutely flooding the market with short term debt.  This is not good, not good at all.

Here's a chart of the t-bill issuance by week, as you can see it appears to be going parabolic.

 

I've also seeing many "weird" movements in asset classes from currency to bonds to commodities that are setting off my alarm system.  I haven't been able to figure out what exactly they mean but something is emitting a very bad smell right now...

7 commentsMatt Heaton • October 21 2008 12:21PM

Part Of My Halloween Costume Arrived Today

I got home from the gym today to find a package I'd been expecting sitting on the porch.  It contained a few of the pieces for my upcoming Halloween costume that I'd been waiting for.  I like to have some fun with Halloween, but this year I'm not above making a statement too.  Personally these two characters scare me more than about anyone right now.  So who should I be for Halloween?

Hank Paulson?

 

Ben Bernanke?

 

19 commentsMatt Heaton • October 20 2008 10:38PM